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Is Anyone Listening?

Dec 10th - 23:10pm | jersu

Jim, I've enjoyed reading your thoughts over the last week on this blog. I've read before that standardized form letters that arrive in email are ignored by congress, but do individual notes get any more attention?

Dec 8th - 17:58pm | repanshek

Jim, This blog welcomes contrarians. Hell, look at the beating I took over guns in the parks;-) That said, you're very right in how difficult it can be to sway congress-folk. It ain't easy, it ain't pretty, and often it ain't cheap. But, as Messers. Pombo and Burns discovered last month, they can be kicked out of the club if they ignore us too long.

Dec 8th - 16:30pm | Jim Macdonald

I hate to be contrarian again, but please at least take what I say here with a little seriousness. I live in Washington; I've worked with think tanks, I've lobbied in Congress before. Your congressperson will not listen to you beyond having the legislative aid who handles that issue send you a form letter that has been prepared on that issue.

Dec 8th - 14:03pm | Fred Miller

The whole National Park System was created to preserve some of the most beautiful places on Earth. We, as visitors to the Parks, must take a stand on these issues. Write your Congressmen. "Snail-mail", not an e-mail. Tell them to help fix the Park system. Our grandchildren will thank you. We don't need any more MIS-management of our Parks.

Dec 7th - 19:55pm | Snowbird

Kurt, in your article you mentioned "energy corrodors"...I can see it coming, along with the noise, auto and snowmobile pollution, and plus the excessive maddening crowds...it's visual pollution!....that's all we need, some tall ugly looking steel structure, stringing miles of cable lines stretched across the beautiful horizons of our Nationa Parks.

Placing An Economic Value on National Parks

Dec 10th - 13:05pm | parkaholic

The Fee Demo program was introduced in 1996 I feel certain that Bill Clinton was in office at that time. Cyclic maintenance funding for the supposed backlog is making it's way to the parks although it doesn't show up in the base budget...

Dec 9th - 21:27pm | Snowbird

That's all I ever hear from this Administration..."it just takes time"! It's been what six years, and the Bush Administratiom has done absolutely nothing that notes that progress is being made in the National Parks towards deferred maintenance...where was the accountability when Katrina hit New Orleans? Our Parks new help now...not political rhetoric!

Dec 9th - 20:18pm | parkaholic

Kurt,

Dec 8th - 10:52am | Snowbird

Kurt, your right on with your comment!

Dec 8th - 06:37am | repanshek

Wait a minute, Parkaholic. This blog and a strong majority of its readers are not ignoring what the current administration and Congress are doing to our park system with their funding and management decisions. Quite the opposite.

Dec 7th - 22:00pm | parkaholic

What is truly unfortunate is that while we beat up organizations that are in this instance telling it like it is, we ignore the trend of our government and the Park Service itself to favor development for financial reasons. The Fee Demo program is working much like our lottery systems in that it generates huge amounts of money that go into publicly popular programs.

Dec 7th - 06:42am | repanshek

Jim, You raise some great points and issues, ones that deserve deeper thought and contemplation, ones that certainly exceed the realm of the national park system.

Dec 7th - 04:19am | Jim Macdonald

If my goal were simply saving wildlife, you might do whatever it takes, the rest of what you screw over to get there be damned. If by saving wildlife, I have to destroy the habitat in which they exist, I'm not interested. If by saving wildlife, I have to contribute to a classist, racist society, then I'm not interested.

Dec 6th - 18:04pm | John

ANY argument is good to help the National Parks. Just use the right one when you talk to the different people. I only need one: I always have a great time when I visit one!!!

Dec 6th - 10:34am | kath

Saw some programs recently on the plight of wildlife in Africa and India. The tigers of India's national parks are being poached to extinction. Same with the elephants in Kenya. The key to stop this, according to the conservationists there, is to convince the local people that having tigers and elephants will bring them prosperity.

Dec 6th - 10:05am | Jim Macdonald

Wow, good discussion...I don't think I can get to it all and do it all justice. But, discussions are good that way, we can meander in and out like a beautiful trail.

Dec 6th - 08:21am | kath

There is nothing wrong with coming up with several different arguments as to why the National Parks are worth funding. Conservationists and park visitors will like the argument over the intrinsic value of the park.

Dec 6th - 08:07am | Alan

I find mention of the "economic value" of a park or other place of natural, scenic or historical value to be very disquieting. I understand the NPCA's direction on this. Big conservation groups often tend to latch onto the economic value of something as a way of buttressing more eco-centric arguments for preservation. But I still find it disquieting.

Dec 6th - 07:46am | repanshek

Jim, I'm not asking folks to criticize NPCA. The organization plays a vital role in protecting the national park system and advancing its goals.

Dec 6th - 06:52am | Jim Macdonald

Kurt, I'm sorry for neglecting to respond to your response on my previous blog post. It wasn't for lack of interest. I'd like to respond here to what you are writing, which is very interesting. I don't think many will be brave enough to criticize the focus of the tact that NPCA uses in defense of the parks.

Dec 5th - 17:25pm | Scott Silver

Kurt, great post and great quotes. Let me add another Leopold quote -- one of my favorites: "One basic weakness in a conservation system based wholly on economic motives is that most members of the land community have no economic value. ... When one of these non-economic categories is threatened, and if we happen to love it, we invent subterfuges to give it economic importance."

Guns in the Parks: A Bad Idea

Dec 9th - 20:53pm | Snowbird

Hey Spectre, sounds like you and Mr. Povich are foaming at the mouth again. You must be blood brothers that never saw a riddled body in the City morgue that was past the age of 21. I have and it makes me angry and sad...especially at people like you who advocate that guns are good for society.

Dec 9th - 20:39pm | Snowbird

Povich, What truth? The truth that the NRA want's you to preach! Give me a break! Yeah, what? Spend some time in the emergency ward and just see what kind of society were breeding: guns & bullets! I patch them up and also bury them... you would encourage that? Cut down another Christmas tree for the kid that's not going to be around for this Christmas. I'm sure you really care!

Dec 9th - 20:10pm | Spectre

Snowbird is worth ignoring...just another ignorant liberal....

Dec 9th - 20:00pm | Rick Povich

Snowbird: "bit would nice if you would plant two trees, one that you just cut down cynically" I didn't cut it down "cynically." It was for the ol' family Christmas tree. A replacement will be planted. Snowbird: "please plant the other in memory of the young man that was shot today by accident"

Dec 9th - 18:40pm | Snowbird

Mr. Povich, it would nice if you would plant two trees, one that you just cut down cynically, and please plant the other in memory of the young man that was shot today by accident...check the national morgue registry! Question, don't you ever come up for air?

Dec 9th - 11:32am | Rick Povich

Snowbird: "how about chilling out for once and plant a few trees...maybe you will feel better." I don't think I'm the one who needs chillin'! I must confess, though, I just went out and to the woods and cut down a tree. But I promise to replace it! Snowbird: "Have a nice day!"

Dec 9th - 09:04am | Snowbird

Mr. Povich, how about chilling out for once and plant a few trees...maybe you will feel better. Okay? Have a nice day!

Dec 9th - 07:59am | Rick Povich

Snowbird: "I worked for a number of years as surgical tech, I know something about the deadly carnage that guns display in are environment...especially what it has done to are youth in the inner cities"

Dec 9th - 04:53am | Rick Smith

Kurt-- That's a new one for me. I have discussed gun control with many who believe in the right to carry weapons. I have never heard, ever, anyone claim that he/she believes that this right is God-given. We are breaking new ground here in the debate on weapons in the parks.

Dec 8th - 19:29pm | Snowbird

Mr. Povich: I worked for a number of years as surgical tech, I know something about the deadly carnage that guns display in are environment...especially what it has done to are youth in the inner cities. I rather see these kids talking to someone in the National Parks, or to someone in U.S.

Dec 8th - 19:06pm | Rick Povich

Snowbird: "I'll meet you half way on the issue, since you have not produced any documented facts about your position except your wind bag opinions." What don't you understand about the information I've provided? I've documented the location and the sources. You've offered nothing except biased opinion.

Dec 8th - 18:39pm | Snowbird

Mr. Povich, I'll meet you half way on the issue, since you have not produced any documented facts about your position except your wind bag opinions. Let me say this, lets plant trees together in the parks, and you can plant (or leave) your water pistol at home, then we both will be doing something creative and constructive for the living environment... instead criticizing each other.

Dec 8th - 15:52pm | Rick Povich

Snowbird: "look who's in the White House! Mr. Bush and can't shoot straight Dickie Bird Cheney...the good old boy's representatives of the NRA!" That's informative and relevant to the discussion. To be expected.

Dec 8th - 13:13pm | Snowbird

Mr. Povich, in all do respect, may I submit to you, look who's in the White House! Mr. Bush and can't shoot straight Dickie Bird Cheney...the good old boy's representatives of the NRA! You say that "firearms actually save lives" If that's true, then why does the United States have the highest homicide rate (for industralized nation) in the world ...outside of Bush's Bagdad fiasco?

Dec 8th - 12:06pm | Rick Povich

Parkaholic is obviously quite knowledgeable of anti-gun propaganda regarding the efficacy of firearms for personal protection. Unfortunately he comes up way short of any truth. Kellerman's (you know him, right?)"research" has long been discredited. Folks with firearms actually _save_ lives. Macho gun haters talking trash are always amusing but grossly uninformed.

Dec 8th - 11:34am | Snowbird

To "some name of other" (another faceless soul). Look! the NRA is simply playing it's hand to help promote more hysteria and paranoia with it's fear campaign... by provoking people like you to do their name calling, and to distort the real facts what their real agenda is all about...to sell more guns!!

Dec 7th - 22:39pm | parkaholic

This blog certainly supports the existance of tourons. (tourist/morons) Amazingly even though all these people carry their firearms for their protection it is dificult to find any writings describing the effective defense against a violent crime by these heroes. It must be because the conservative press refuses to write about it....yeah right.

Dec 6th - 22:27pm | some name or other

Is this dumbass above the only one who agrees with the author? You might want to think twice about sharing an opinion with such a bigoted fool.

Yellowstone Biologists: Politics, Not Science, Likely Will Decide Snowmobile Issue

Dec 8th - 20:05pm | Mike Lommler

Totally believable, if lamentable. We've been through this sort of thing before in Yellowstone, after all. You might check out this old article by political scientist/wilderness enthusiast Craig Alln: http://www.fs.fed.us/rm/pubs/rmrs_p015_2/rmrs_p015_2_180_185.pdf

Dec 8th - 18:20pm | Alan

Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

Retirees Coalition Asks Congress To Oppose Snowmobiles

Dec 8th - 06:27am | repanshek

Could you logically explain why someone who prefers to minimize pollution in national parks is "elitist"? "Protectionist" I can see, "elitist" I can't. Curiously, on another post you adamantly argue that the Founding Fathers intended taxes to go only towards national defense.

Dec 7th - 22:34pm | Spectre

REAL people don't mind snowmobiles...just elitist enviro-whackos!!!

Dec 5th - 09:49am | Alan Gregory

This is incredible. Study after study after study find that snowmobiles are just plain bad for Yellowstone, its wildlife, its low-impact visitors and the Park Service employees who keep the place running. Yet, here again we have another effort by two block-headed legislators to enshrine the snowmobiling culture. When will real people stand up and just do the right thing?!

The $80 ATB Pass

Dec 8th - 06:15am | repanshek

So if I follow your logic, Spectre, taxes shouldn't be used to pay Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, transportation needs, Postal Service, and all the other federal programs that I'm sure you enjoy?

Dec 7th - 22:39pm | Spectre

May I remind everyone...our founding fathers created federal taxation for one purpose and ONE PURPOSE ONLY...to provide for the defense of this nation (military)...PERIOD! User fees are the best and fairest way to fund our parks.

Dec 6th - 14:54pm | kath

This will be very close to what Canada charges--$77.25. (Adult pass for national parks and historic sites in Canada).

Dec 6th - 14:17pm | kath

California State Parks pass is $125. ostensibly for parking, and that doesn't cover all the parks.

Silence in the Parks

Dec 4th - 17:29pm | Snowbird

Toss in the whisper of the wind blowing through Kings Canyon... you have poetry to my ears.

Bracing For the America The Beautiful Pass

Dec 2nd - 19:24pm | Alan

I have never had qualms about paying a fee to get onto a national wildlife refuge or national park. Or even to use a Forest Service parking area in New Hampshire for the few minutes it took us to view a nearby waterfall.

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