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  • Is It "Elitist" To Try to Visit All 58 National Parks?   5 years 32 weeks ago

    Thanks Anonymous. Totally overlooked Redwoods. That, along with splitting Sequoia and Kings Canyon, adds up to 58.

  • Is It "Elitist" To Try to Visit All 58 National Parks?   5 years 32 weeks ago

    I agree with Dave. To only focus on seeing the Parks, one will miss many wonderful experiences. So many of the smaller lesser known National Park sites have been absolutely wonderful and should not be overlooked. Each and every site has something special to offer.

  • Is It "Elitist" To Try to Visit All 58 National Parks?   5 years 32 weeks ago

    Brad - based on the list I have, it seems you are missing Redwood National Park.

  • Is It "Elitist" To Try to Visit All 58 National Parks?   5 years 32 weeks ago


    A quick glance at your list shows Sequoia and Kings Canyon national parks listed as one, so if you separate those that gets you to 57.

  • Is It "Elitist" To Try to Visit All 58 National Parks?   5 years 32 weeks ago

    Kirby, you said it all! I so love the national parks that I pursued a profession that would require me to see more of them. To do this, I've given up far more lucrative projects in favor of a career as a fairly low-paid travel writer, with the national parks as my beat. To date, we've visited 254 since beginning our park visits in November 2000. If that's elitist or "lucky"—a category Goetzman does not define, so who knows if I qualify—then I am the poorest and most indebted member of the elite I can ever imagine! While I admit to occasionally "Griswolding" a small historic site in the 391-unit NPS system, I look for whatever ways my husband and I can spend several days, a week or longer in any of the 58 natural parks. Most recently, we spent a week at Big Bend, one of the least visited parks in the country. How bloody insulting to be categorized by someone who, frankly, sounds envious of those of us who have made seeing our nation's natural riches a lifelong priority. As Stephen Sondheim once wrote, "There's a lot I'll have missed, but I'll not have been dead when I die."

  • Is It "Elitist" To Try to Visit All 58 National Parks?   5 years 32 weeks ago

    Kurt and all,

    Leaving aside the "elitist" argument for a moment, I have to point out that even if you bag all 58 units designated "national park" -- and if you left it at that -- you would not be getting anything close to a full picture of what the national park system is all about.

    Also, just for fun, I want to point out a couple of people who are in a far different category: folks who have been to ALL the units of the system, and not just breezing through. There are two whom I know about; perhaps there are others. My understanding is that the late historian Robin Winks had not only visited every unit of the system, but was in every visitor center AND read every display in those centers. If this sounds impossibly hubristic, all I can say is that Winks was a remarkable man (and scholar) and I do not doubt the story.

    But even more amazingly, at my point of last knowledge (this was back in the 1990s) a fellow named Alan Hogenauer had visited every unit of the system ... and every delisted unit of the system, such as Castle Pinckney (written about elsewhere today), Shoshone Caverns, Holy Cross, and a couple dozen even more obscure. That is a feat that I doubt anyone will replicate.

  • Is It "Elitist" To Try to Visit All 58 National Parks?   5 years 32 weeks ago

    Does someone have a definitive list of the 58 parks? I downloaded a file of all the sites from the NPS with their types. Of the 391 or so in that list, only 56 had National Park as its type, and that includes American Samoa. Which 2 am I missing? My wife and I are one of the couples that have a goal to see and visit all the national parks but are having a hard time finding an accurate list of them. We've been to 16 thus far and loved everyone of them! Here is the list I got from the NPS site:

    2 Acadia National Park ME
    24 Arches National Park UT
    29 Badlands National Park SD
    35 Big Bend National Park TX
    41 Biscayne National Park FL
    42 Black Canyon Of The Gunnison National Park CO
    52 Bryce Canyon National Park UT
    61 Canyonlands National Park UT
    68 Capitol Reef National Park UT
    71 Carlsbad Caverns National Park NM
    82 Channel Islands National Park CA
    97 Congaree National Park SC
    101 Crater Lake National Park OR
    106 Cuyahoga Valley National Park OH
    110 Death Valley National Park CA, NV
    114 Denali National Park & Preserve AK
    119 Dry Tortugas National Park FL
    134 Everglades National Park FL
    174 Gates Of The Arctic National Park & Preserve AK
    186 Glacier National Park MT
    187 Glacier Bay National Park & Preserve AK
    194 Grand Canyon National Park AZ
    196 Grand Teton National Park WY
    198 Great Basin National Park NV
    201 Great Sand Dunes National Park & Preserve CO
    202 Great Smoky Mountains National Park NC, TN
    205 Guadalupe Mountains National Park TX
    209 Haleakala National Park HI
    215 Hawaii Volcanoes National Park HI
    223 Hot Springs National Park AR
    231 Isle Royale National Park MI
    244 Joshua Tree National Park CA
    248 Katmai National Park & Preserve AK
    249 Kenai Fjords National Park AK
    257 Kobuk Valley National Park AK
    260 Lake Clark National Park & Preserve AK
    264 Lassen Volcanic National Park CA
    280 Mammoth Cave National Park KY
    289 Mesa Verde National Park CO
    301 Mount Rainier National Park WA
    310 National Park of American Samoa AS
    326 North Cascades National Park WA
    333 Olympic National Park WA
    349 Petrified Forest National Park AZ
    373 Rocky Mountain National Park CO
    380 Saguaro National Park AZ
    399 Sequoia & Kings Canyon National Parks CA
    401 Shenandoah National Park VA
    416 Theodore Roosevelt National Park ND
    440 Virgin Islands National Park VI
    442 Voyageurs National Park MN
    454 Wind Cave National Park SD
    457 Wrangell - St Elias National Park & Preserve AK
    460 Yellowstone National Park ID, MT, WY
    463 Yosemite National Park CA
    466 Zion National Park UT

  • Jon Jarvis Supports More Official Wilderness in National Park System   5 years 32 weeks ago

    More wilderness: less cycling opportunities. :(

  • Is It "Elitist" To Try to Visit All 58 National Parks?   5 years 32 weeks ago

    "They added both parks to their all-important list, yet they didn’t have a true wilderness experience in either place."

    If having "a true wilderness experience" is what it takes to visit a park properly, than I would tend to agree with those that find that it's Goetzman's attitude that's elitist. Most Americans are not in shape and lack the survival skills to hike the wilderness safely on our own. Relatively few of us can afford the guded plane excursions or other guided wilderness trips with any frequency - those really are mostly for the wealthy. I did a pack trip in the Sierras near Yosemite once and it was wonderful in many ways, but riding horseback on trails climbing a cliff and over a pass at 11,500 ft. was as queasy-making an experience as I have ever had. And we actually never got into the park, but just stayed in the Hoover Wilderness just East of the park. I'd add that with an arthritic back (and probably hips, too) sleeping on a thin pad on hard ground is not an agreeable option anymore. Although I may do another pack trip some year, or try and raft the Grand Canyon, car camping and an air matress are usually my limit nowadays.

    In fact, virtually all of the parks have things that are well worth seeing and doing, and that can be seen and done without undue hazard to health and wallet. In fact, they were set up that way when they were established, with the roads usually going to the most scenic spots in the park. Someone once told me that the more national park tickets I accumulate over the course of my life the happier I would be. So far, I've been finding that to be true, even though I have not consciously made it a goal to get to all 58. (Parks so far: Everglades, Shenandoah, Rocky Mountain, Carlsbad Caverns, Guadalupe Mts., Yellowstone, Grand Teton, Yosemite, Grand Canyon, Glacier, Lassen Volcanic, Zion, Death Valley).

  • Is It "Elitist" To Try to Visit All 58 National Parks?   5 years 32 weeks ago

    It's Mr. Goetzman who's being elitist, looking down his nose at people who don't "do" the parks the way he thinks they should.

  • French Flyover is Prelude to the Upcoming Yorktown Victory Celebration   5 years 32 weeks ago

    Observances have been held every year since the surrender? Wow. I had no idead. Did this take place during the American Civil War too?

  • Is It "Elitist" To Try to Visit All 58 National Parks?   5 years 32 weeks ago

    Not only do I hope to see all 58 parks, I hope to see all 391 sites. We started visiting parks when our kids were born 17 years ago and we are at 155 sites. I plan to continue visiting this great country of ours and all of our wonderful National Parks. Kirby and Amy - I agree with you completely - keep enjoying our parks!

  • Is It "Elitist" To Try to Visit All 58 National Parks?   5 years 32 weeks ago

    We have 2 Jr Rangers (kids that are 9 & 10) and one of the main reasons that we try to visit as many parks as possible each vacation is for their benefit of learning history, geography, numerous branches of science and having unique experiences that only visits to the National Parks can give them. They have 22 Jr Rangers badges each. This is a sense of accomplishment for them each time we visit a new National Park when they visit with the NP Ranger that swears them in again.
    We are by no means wealthy. We camp and cook at our camp to save on money. We purchase a yearly pass to help with the fees that add up with multiple park visits each year.
    We believe that giving our kids the gift of the love outdoors and especially of our National Parks is one of the best things that we can for for them as parents.
    All of that said, Parents - you do no have to be wealthy or make a negative impact on the environment to visit multiple parks with your children. Plan snacks and meals, use reusable water bottles, recycle items along the way, use public transit options when possible, and better yet, use your own energy (walking/biking) to propel you around the towns near the National Parks and in them as well. Get out there and enjoy our National Parks with your children! It will enrich their lives and yours.

  • Is It "Elitist" To Try to Visit All 58 National Parks?   5 years 32 weeks ago

    I am growing weary of hearing that the things I do for fun are things that only wealthy people can do, considering my wife and I have an income that would barely be considered middle-class. Traveling can be very expensive, if that's how you choose to do it. We drove from Michigan to Olympic National Park, camping along the way, eating food we packed, refueling our rented hybrid infrequently. You'd be surprised how cheaply you can rent a Prius. It was a pretty cheap trip. Working long weeks and overtime all winter banked up some extra time off from work, and there we were - two weeks of road-trip bliss.

    I've come to understand that "elitist" is a term usually slung toward any endeavor that the slinger lacks the determination or will-power to pull off...or bitterness that some people have managed to accrue wealth that allows crazy adventures. Maybe sailing a 230ft. yacht around the world is elitist - but even then, I say more power to you if you can afford that boat! Visiting 58 National Parks? Sounds more like sour-grapes envy than objective observation.

    I have traditionally been offended at being called elitist for my travels and desire for solitude in areas protected from modern intrusion. But I've come to realize that the insult is so ridiculous as to be laughable, thus I laugh.

    Regarding the ability to "know" the parks after a windshield visit: Of course you can't. Does that mean visiting all 58 is a waste? Hardly. On the way back to Michigan last summer we windshield-toured Badlands National Park. I certainly don't claim to have explored Badlands or to have a feel for the soul of the park, but we sure did see some awesome sites in an afternoon - with pictures and memories to prove it! One benefit of bagging a bunch of parks with quick visits is to view it as a scouting mission. A day in a park can give you an idea of which might be most suited to further exploration some day. See the sites from the road, check out the information at the visitor center, chat up a ranger or two, talk to some backpackers at trailheads. You can do all that in a leisurely day and come away with an idea of not only whether you want to come back to this park, but also what specific things you might want to do on your return.

    Ignore the unenlightened and get out there!

  • Jon Jarvis Supports More Official Wilderness in National Park System   5 years 32 weeks ago


    You cite Olympic National Park as an example of good access. Olympic is 95% designated wilderness. It's probably one of the most wilderness-heavy parks out there, yet you can still drive right into the middle of the Hoh rainforest. I agree Olympic is a wonderful example of vast areas protected from any artificial intrusion while still offering easy to access to areas representing everything Olympic is about. That's why I'd like to see more designated wilderness in the other parks.

    Being poor (my backpacking gear is second hand and generally laughed at by the "in" crowd), overweight (live next to a Wendy's), and holding a full time job, I was not aware wilderness areas weren't intended for me. I spend a lot of time hiking and camping in wilderness. It's a very inexpensive hobby, doesn't need to tax the body more than you want it to, and can be done for anywhere from an afternoon to a three-week trek. The argument that wilderness designation protects land for the enjoyment only of a privileged class is baseless. It certainly won't be accessible to every single citizen of the country, but if a vast majority of people think they can't enjoy the wilderness they are simply ignorant of the means to do so rather than lacking of the resources or ability.

    If you want to stop development, fine -- don't do that at the expense of access.

    But access often is development. Roads are development. I may agree with the specific point of that article that the wilderness area could be nudged in the North Cascades case, considering there has historically been a road through that area, but in general, laying an access road into the wilderness eliminates the wilderness and renders it front-country. Every park needs vehicle-accessible front-country. I say they also need roadless wilderness.

    If you need to control usage levels, great -- do that without cutting things off completely.

    I don't know of any park that cuts off areas completely except in patently unsafe areas or seasonally in ecologically sensitive areas. Nor do I believe this is proposed anywhere. Wilderness designation does not say "humans stay out." It implores us to come and enjoy nature as some people prefer it - free from artificial intrusion. Those people own the parks too, and it seems obvious to me that wilderness and developed areas can coexist in harmony in National Parks. When a park such as Glacier has zero designated wilderness, I'd say it's patently unfair to complain about "more" area being designated. The parks are for everyone - even us kooks who enjoy wilderness.

  • Pruning the Parks: Castle Pinckney National Monument (1933-1956)   5 years 32 weeks ago

    Sad that piece of real estate would receive such sorry treatment over the years, it's only crime being the most conspicuous piece of real estate in the city. Odd that they would think of such awful uses for it over the years, instead of the natural one that comes to mind: a scenic little park, or bird refuge.

  • Traveler's Checklist: Biscayne National Park   5 years 32 weeks ago

    Wow. This is one beautiful place. I have heard so much about Biscayne. It sounds expensive too. Am I right?

    Thanks for the heads up.


  • Jon Jarvis Supports More Official Wilderness in National Park System   5 years 32 weeks ago

    Great, let's make more of our parks inaccessible to those who are not physically fit enough to venture out for days at a time, who are not fortunate enough to get time off work and who are not wealthy enough to purchase equipment for long slogs through the outdoors.

    Preservation makes sense. Creating a caste system, where the elites have swathes of land to themselves and the poor, the busy and the unfit are crammed to visitors centers and short loop roads.

    There are common sense answers to overcrowding. Zion Canyon's management plan is a great example of some of those answers. More parks still won't be "loved to death" no matter how easy you make it to access them -- look at Capitol Reef, Great Basin, Olympic... all have good access and still manage to stay protected.

    It's frustrating to me to know that if the powers that be were in charge today, I would never have seen many of the places in the park system that are dearest to me -- Zion Canyon, the Kolob Terrace, the Wheeler Peak sky island at Great Basin, Dante's View at Death Valley, the Hoh Rain Forest at Olympic.

    There was a great column in the Seattle PI not long ago about this. I wholeheartedly agree with it. If you want to stop development, fine -- don't do that at the expense of access. If you need to control usage levels, great -- do that without cutting things off completely.

  • Columbus Day is also Native American Day   5 years 32 weeks ago

    We sure are products of our consumerist time. Columbus may have been ignorant about the effects of his actions, but we're not. He might have had some excuse, but we don't. God knows what judgment will come from the archaeologist a thousand years from now who will find our putrid piles of polymer trash. I've been an active naturalist for most of my life. No lip service here - I use public transport and recycled before it was cool. I've pulled more crap out of streams, oil off of ducks, and garbage off of trails than I can shake a wicked stick at. The beauty of Yosemite? Bollux! I can't afford to go there. Yosemite exists on websites and in picture books. My natural world is ugly, polluted, and degraded. Since I've been in the muck and not opining from an executive's desk, do any of my efforts matter? Hard to tell. Sanctimonious? Maybe. Disgusted? Definitely.

    Columbus and his contemporaries knew they were on top of the food chain and acted like predators. There's nothing to celebrate about Columbus. Forget about our latter-day Columbuses! I can either lament the predators of our time, or I can do something about it. And there are lots of people just like me, without advanced degrees or proven credentials. Get your angst-ridden enjoyment of the crown jewel parks while you still can. I'm not going to waste my time wondering about what future historians will say - next Saturday I'll be working in the muck. History will take care of itself.

  • Pinnacles National Monument: Should It Be Labeled A National Park?   5 years 32 weeks ago

    Pinnacles is a dramatic and inspiring place to me. I've hiked almost every mile of trail in the park, including the north and south wilderness trails. I've climbed dozens of the craggy spires, seen huge California Condors sail gracefully past (within 50 ft!), and watched the awesome peaks glow other-wordly orange and red in color with the last rays of sun light, then hiked back to the car in the darkness to view a clear starry sky from the parking lot before leaving.

    The "Monument" seems reasonably well managed to me as is. I very much like the idea that it is often not very busy, except during the spring bloom when it is extremely busy on weekends. It doesn't much matter to me whether it is designated as a National Park or Monument, so long as it continues to receive the funding necessary to preserve and protect it.

    It will be interesting to see what becomes of the National Park idea. I recall that Death Valley used to be designated a National Monument. In that case it seemed a no-brainer to make it a National Park. It also got expanded substantially as part of the deal, which was clearly a good thing (some people think that pristine sand dunes and dry lake beds are best used for ripping apart in ATVs!)


  • Columbus Day is also Native American Day   5 years 32 weeks ago


    They definitely should unless we get our act together, especially as in Columbus's time and in our own time, there were and are people who find such behavior unacceptable. We aren't people of our times, perhaps, as those few voices speaking out in Columbus's time weren't, and that's too bad. I hope we can rid ourselves of this fallacious logic of domination (what you note is very similar to what some ecofeminists have noticed; that the fallacious logic that men used for superiority over women - or in this case, one sort of people over another - has been used by people in regards to their natural environment) so that we aren't looked at as voices crying out "in the wilderness" but that that wilderness is really the norm where in we all cry and sing and dance.

    Jim Macdonald
    The Magic of Yellowstone
    Yellowstone Newspaper
    Jim's Eclectic World

  • Columbus Day is also Native American Day   5 years 32 weeks ago

    Free Republic has posted a thought-provoking, brief item on Columbus Day by James C. Bennett. Rather than go into his theme, I'll just say that the English explorer most of us know as John Cabot was actually Giovanni Caboto, an Italian, and he actually set foot on North America, whereas, Christopher Columbus did not. Bennett goes on to reveal some of the pitfalls awaiting us in our studies of the human diaspora, cultural diffusion, and reception history. Read his post here:

    I especially enjoyed his reference to "American Indians" as Siberian-Americans, as well as his mention of political correctness as an expression of the Calvinist Puritan roots of Progressivism. This would also be a good time to refresh ourselves with the work of Ed Linenthal, "professor or sacred ground and meaning" and good friend of the NPS, now at Indiana University.

  • Classic Road Bike Rides in the National Parks of the Intermountain West   5 years 32 weeks ago

    How nice of you to write this. I rode Arches today and Canyonlands yesterday............................What a dream.October 11 and 77 degrees....................

  • Columbus Day is also Native American Day   5 years 32 weeks ago

    For better or worse (definitely worse for Native Americans), Columbus was a product of his time. It was simply assumed that Christian Europeans, particularly those in power, were superior to indigenous people and had the right to exploit and even kill them if they resisted. That point of view reflects how we have treated the natural environment. Even today there are many who believe that the natural world exists for our pleasure and can be decimated in the pursuit of profit and power, even when it results in human hardship. We stand in judgement of Columbus, but we are willing to permit the virtual extermination of entire ecosystems, extinction of countless species of flora and fauna, the fouling of our air and water and even the alteration of the world's climate. Will future generations look back on us as critically as we now view Columbus?

  • On the Run: Racers See Four National Parks on Two Feet in One Day   5 years 32 weeks ago

    Thanks so much for catching that, Robert.

    Hope you are having some good fall weather for your runs.