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  • Congressman Proposes Overhaul To Fee Programs On National Parks, Other Public Lands   2 days 9 hours ago

    So lee, what is your stance on the proposal. Seems like from your previous posts, this would be right up your alley. But then there is that Bishop thing. Must be quite the conundrum.

  • National Park Service Promotes Parks As Economic Engines   2 days 9 hours ago

    Congress today is a whole lot different than in the past.

    Response withheld to avoid the rabbit hole.

  • Congressman Proposes Overhaul To Fee Programs On National Parks, Other Public Lands   2 days 9 hours ago

    Simple. It's because people like Bishop are in Congress.

  • National Park Service Promotes Parks As Economic Engines   2 days 9 hours ago

    Congress today is a whole lot different than in the past.

    Once again, extreme caution should always be the primary guiding principle.

  • Congressman Proposes Overhaul To Fee Programs On National Parks, Other Public Lands   2 days 9 hours ago

    This looks like a wolf in sheeps clothing to me.

    Only because Bishop proposed it? And we wonder how Congress can't get anything accomplished.

  • Congressman Proposes Overhaul To Fee Programs On National Parks, Other Public Lands   2 days 9 hours ago

    Why not increase the fee for seniors? $10 for a lifetime?

    Kurt, wait till next year after I get mine ;)

  • National Park Service Promotes Parks As Economic Engines   2 days 9 hours ago

    Lee - The "Clowns of Congress" as you like to so affectionately call them created Parks. A little late to be getting concerned about them being involved.

  • National Park Service Promotes Parks As Economic Engines   2 days 10 hours ago

    OK, folks, we're not going to let this thread take off down that rabbit hole. Stick to the topic, please, and don't let it drift.

  • National Park Service Promotes Parks As Economic Engines   2 days 11 hours ago

    Rick, if you believe in global warming then you and Buxton probably don't have a firm grasp on reality anyways. Probably why you bought into that hope and change, if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor, most open and transparent administration in history, and all the other lies coming from this administration. I wish you guys would wake up, the world is on fire, economy getting worse, and kids are walking through your secure border...

  • Congressman Proposes Overhaul To Fee Programs On National Parks, Other Public Lands   2 days 11 hours ago

    I fall out on the no-fee side of this issue, but it's also important to look at who proposed the fee increases. Rob Bishop is not a friend of the environment or of recreational public land use and is instead a big proponent of the extraction industries. It's true he has made a lot of compromising gestures recently, but as a citizen of Utah, I can only say, "Beware!" This looks like a wolf in sheeps clothing to me.

    "The Utah Republican is one of Congress’ top cheerleaders for oil and gas development and a dogged critic of environmentalists...." —

  • National Park Service Promotes Parks As Economic Engines   2 days 14 hours ago

    Buxton ---

    Your surefire indication that your argumentation efforts will be better used elsewhere --- when you run into a climate change denier. You have a better chance of arguing for Pagan rights in the Vatican. I suggest not even saying goodbye, but just quietly walk away and leave them to wallow in their willful ignorance.

  • Congressman Proposes Overhaul To Fee Programs On National Parks, Other Public Lands   2 days 14 hours ago

    Trust me, Rick, I understand your point. But I also believe $10 for a lifetime pass, beginning at age 62, is a heckuva bargain...and a money loser for the NPS...if they look to passes for revenues.

  • Congressman Proposes Overhaul To Fee Programs On National Parks, Other Public Lands   2 days 14 hours ago

    Kurt -

    We don't all drive 300,000 RV's on our vacations. I spent most of my life saving lives for peanuts, and no regrets, but when I visit now in retirement it's in a 10 year old Subaru. I hazard a guess that there are more out there who have retired like me than those who drive those house-on-wheel behemoths.

  • National Park Service Promotes Parks As Economic Engines   2 days 14 hours ago

    They are being educated to vacation elsewhere.

    Buxton, that's a new one for sure. Who is educating them to vacation elsewhere? Are you saying because of the fake climate change agenda, people are not visiting the NP?

  • Congressman Proposes Overhaul To Fee Programs On National Parks, Other Public Lands   2 days 15 hours ago

    Unfortunately, Jim is 110% correct.

    Yet we still vote these clowns back into office time and time again.

    Donna McAleer, a West Point graduate and former Army officer, is running against Rob Bishop and might even have a slim chance of winning despite the dollars that will flow to him thanks to PACs and Citizens United and the obscene gerrymandering of 2010.

    I love her slogan: Not Right. Not Left. Just Forward.

  • National Park Service Promotes Parks As Economic Engines   2 days 15 hours ago

    You're exactly right, ec. Just what will happen if the Clowns of Congress get involved.

    Once again, extreme caution should always be the primary guiding principle.

    But even here, your usual litany is off a bit. No one here has ever claimed that ALL the economic activity of any near-park community comes from the park. Please don't twist the words of others.

    Ooops. I just took the bait again. Now I'll have to spend the rest of the day looking over my shoulder for Kurt coming to slap me . . . . .

  • Congressman Proposes Overhaul To Fee Programs On National Parks, Other Public Lands   2 days 15 hours ago

    Kurt--I agree that the legislative proposal is sorely lacking in imagination, but then when have those buffoons inside the Beltway show much creativity, constructive thinking, or competence? The sometimes stultifying infexibility and incompetence we see in top bureaucrats in the NPS and a myriad of other federal agencies is in no small measure a reflection of our national leadership. If that sounds pessimistic, it is meant to do so. I think we are more poorly governed on the national level, and in bigger trouble as a nation, than at any time in my life. The situation with the parks and the NPS is a mere microcosm.

    Jim Casada

  • Congressman Proposes Overhaul To Fee Programs On National Parks, Other Public Lands   2 days 16 hours ago

    Frankly, the proposed legislation doesn't show much imagination. Why not increase the fee for seniors? $10 for a lifetime? While this might draw the ire of AARP, someone driving a $300,000 RV surely can afford a bit more, even if it's only $25/year.

    And if the NPS is worried about luring younger generations to the parks, why charge kids in college, or just out while they're trying to get a job and settle down, $80?

    As for the list Owen shared, it shouldn't/wouldn't be too hard to install entrance gates to Blue Ridge Parkway and Natchez Trace Parkway, and I wouldn't think a $10 entrance fee would generate much ire from the locals.

    Those international tourists? If you're not going to allow them to get an $80 America the Beautiful Pass, create a separate international pass, say $50, that's valid for two weeks or even a month. And market it.

  • National Park Service Promotes Parks As Economic Engines   2 days 17 hours ago

    Good point Lee. We could name it Poudre Canyon National Park. Then instead of a well preserved primitive backcountry with a beautiful river we could build a hotel with $250 a night rooms, fill the valley with RV parks, resturants and general stores selling worthless trinkets. Toss the rafts and kayaks off the river and ban the dogs. Fill the road with bumper to bumper traffic. But hey, then we could claim all of economc activity of Ft. Collins as a return on the NP investment.

  • Congressman Proposes Overhaul To Fee Programs On National Parks, Other Public Lands   2 days 17 hours ago

    The ten most visited national parks are, according to NPCA:

    1.Golden Gate National Recreation Area (CA)

    14,289,121

    2.Blue Ridge Parkway (NC, VA)

    12,877,368

    3.Great Smoky Mountains National Park (TN, NC)

    9,354,695

    4.George Washington Memorial Parkway (MD, VA, DC)

    7,360,392

    5.Lincoln Memorial (DC)

    6,546,518

    6.Lake Mead National Recreation Area (NV, AZ)

    6,344,714

    7.Gateway National Recreation Area (NY, NJ)

    6,191,246

    8.Natchez Trace Parkway (MS, AL, TN)

    6,012,740

    9.Chesapeake & Ohio Canal NHP (DC, MD, WV)

    4,941,367

    10.Delaware Water Gap National Recreation Area (PA, NJ)4,843,350

    I'm not sure about #'s 6, 8, 9, and 10 on this list, but I'm pretty sure none of the others charge an entrance fee (due to enabling legislation). Assuming that entrance fees would not affect visitation, a mere $1.00 per visit would mean that there is currently $78.8 million dollars per year in uncollected fees from these top ten NPS units alone. If an entrance fee of $10.00 per person per visit would be considered for only the top ten visited sites, this would amount to approximately $0.8 billion. However, I believe that entrance fees most definitely will have an effect on park visitation. The mere perception of a loss of park visitation will cause local gateway communities to vigorously oppose any legislative proposal that would change their park's current no-fee status.

  • National Park Service Promotes Parks As Economic Engines   2 days 17 hours ago

    I lived in Poudre Canyon for 8 years back in the 1990's. The river is on the National Wild and Scenic List and also part of it is National forest land. I hiked, fished, camped, up and down the canyon. Sometimes it was crowded along the hiway and lots of river rafters and kayaks. But you could always find solitude. And the sound of the river was sometimes so loud you had to close your window to hear each other talk but it was great to sleep with the sound.

  • National Park Service Promotes Parks As Economic Engines   2 days 17 hours ago

    But muddymoose, the fact that an area has been designated as a new NP area is not an automatic guarantee of protection. Congress may, if they so desire, do almost anything their owners dictate to have done in a new park.

    Once again, extreme caution should always be the primary guiding principle. People like us who value parks for more than the dollars they may generate can never let down our guard.

  • National Park Service Promotes Parks As Economic Engines   2 days 17 hours ago

    . If Yellowstone was privatized tomorrow, it wouldn't be long before the whole area was paved with resorts, hotels, restaurants, casinos and kitsch a la Niagara Falls NY.

    You act as if there were only two alternatives. NPS or privitization. The are many areas that are NF, or BLM, or State Parks (try Custer in SD) and even private tracks that are fantastic to visit.

    What else do people go to SD for? Check this out:

    http://www.visitrapidcity.com/things-to-do/top-10-lists#.U9erYWPMIvk

    There are dozens of places to go and things to do in SD. NPs are among them but they certainly don't dominate the list. And if the parks did not exist, I am sure SD wouldn't be a ghost state. BTW, I've been to Devils Tower. Why? Not because it was a NP but because it was featured in Close Encounters. Shouldn't Richard Dreyfus get credit for that economic contribution?

    And once again, I am not arguing the NPS have no economic impact. They certainly impact their local communities and have some overall incremental contribution to the National economy. But to attribute every dollar spent in the general vicinity of a NP as an incremental contribution is ludicrous. If NPs weren't an option, people would spend their money elsewhere.

  • National Park Service Promotes Parks As Economic Engines   2 days 17 hours ago

    Why visitation is down at CHNS.

    It has little to do with NP ORV regs. Visitors plans are being disrupted by weather events and natural forces. They are being educated to vacation elsewhere.

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/special-features/2014/07/140725-...

  • National Park Service Promotes Parks As Economic Engines   3 days 3 hours ago

    Badlands, Wind Cave, Devils Tower, Theodore Roosevelt, Mount Rushmore, etc. aren't the primary destinations in the western Dakotas region? What else do people go there for, to see the majestic oil spills from the recent fossil fuel boom in ND?

    Although it may be sublime, Poudre River Canyon isn't on the lips of the traveling populace. If it was Poudre River Canyon National Park, perhaps moreso. Funny how Congress sticking "National Park" on the end of any phrase turns it into an economic powerhouse, no?

    The only reason the more "minor" locations haven't been developed is because they don't harbor the vastly impressive and unique features of national parks and the appropriate formal designation. If Yellowstone was privatized tomorrow, it wouldn't be long before the whole area was paved with resorts, hotels, restaurants, casinos and kitsch a la Niagara Falls NY. If Poudre Canyon was designated a national park, it too would welcome an economic increase to the surrounding area. National park designation invites regional tourism while simultaneously protecting the areas themselves from development. It's a win-win.